A Challenging Forecast

The Friday morning map discussion video is on the server:

http://beta.abc3340.com/weather/video.hrb

Lets begin with some observations up north as I type this (around 5:45 a.m.):

Eagle, Alaska -32
Mayo, Canada (NW Territory) -31
Huron, South Dakoka -12
Grand Forks, North Dakota -4
Decatur, Alabama 27

First thing I always like to do on a tough forecast morning is "look out the window"!

So many issues today... lets take them in chronological order:

*SLEET LATE TONIGHT?: Clouds will move into the state quickly tonight, and some precipitation could begin after midnight. We might see a little sleet initially tomorrow morning; maybe even a brief period of freezing rain or drizzle over the northwest corner of the state. If this happens, it should not pose any travel problems in my opinion.

*WEEKEND RAIN AND STORMS: We will have the dual threat of heavy rain and strong storms. SPC has a slight risk over us both tomorrow and Sunday. Severe weather parameters are pretty marginal... seems like the storms tomorrow night be elevated, but more surface based on Sunday.

Here are some parameters for Sunday evening at 6:00:

CAPE: 649
Lifted Index: -1.8
0 to 3 km Helicity: 209
850 mb wind speed: 29 knots
500 mb wind speed: 59 knots

Just hard to get excited at this point about severe storms with numbers like that; the main threat would come from strong winds and hail if we have them.

Rain totals could be fairly heavy with a band of rain and storms becoming almost stationary over the northern half of the state. The QPF guidance suggests 2 to 3 inches of rain for most places, with a bullseye of 3.6" near Hamilton. Model extraction is not as aggressive with the rain totals; they show amounts closer to one inch. One way or another it does look like we will see some beneficial rain over the weekend.

NEXT WEEK'S COLD: The rain should end Monday morning, followed by a shot of very cold air. Again, we reject the GFS MOS guidance and go well under those numbers. Temperatures should fall Monday, reaching the upper 30s by mid to late afternoon. You can't ignore the chance of a few flurries Monday evening, but that won't be an issue... the cold air is the story.

It looks like the cold air will be pretty shallow as it gets in here, and the GFS simply can't handle that with its resolution. The cold air might be only a couple of thousand feet deep, so it really won't show up even on an 850 mb chart (5,000 feet).

I will continue to forecast highs in the 35 to 40 degree range on Tuesday and Wednesday based on the fact that the air will be coming across a vast snow field, and it won't have much time to modify. Winds aloft will remain out of the west or southwest, and I think clouds might prevent us from reaching the teens Wednesday morning. The sky might remain cloudy at times on Tuesday and Wednesday, but precipitation on those days looks unlikely.

STORM AT THE END OF NEXT WEEK: If this was January I would really be concerned about an ice storm here Thursday and Friday of next week. But, this is not January, this is December. We rarely have problems with ice and snow this early in the season.

A storm is forecast to form in the western Gulf of Mexico Wednesday night, moving over to the Georgia coast by Friday. Shallow cold air will be in place over Alabama, but I am not convinced it will be cold enough for freezing rain and ice. It sure is possible, but I would say unlikely at this time. Worst case scenario is a long period of freezing rain Thursday or Thursday night with a brief change to snow on the back side of the storm Friday. But, once again, the most likely setup is a cold rain, with maybe a few flurries on the back side. We are walking a fine line on this one... so keep an eye on the blog in coming days. It is a very interesting setup.

MORE COLD: Another surge of cold air moves in here the following weekend (December 10-11).

LONG RANGE: The GFS shows temperature moderation here in the December 15-18 time frame, but another whopper 1044 mb high shows up at the same time over the Yukon. Wonder if that can make it down here in time for Christmas.

THANKS to all of our viewers for giving us a great November ratings period. Our newscasts are a solid number one at 5:00, 6:00, and 10:00. Once again, being a market leader is a big responsibility and we don't take that lightly. We will continue to work hard to keep your trust.

I will have the next map discussion video available by 3:30 with other notes as needed through the day...
Posted by John T.  
on December 2, 2005, 6:53 am
James CONGRADULATIONS on your ratings. It is well deserved! It's great to know you all are watching out for us. Just continue to keep us informed. THANKS!!

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 6:54 am
Interesting week ahead to say the least....looking forward to reading your blogs along the way...Thanks!

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 6:54 am
Interesting week ahead to say the least....looking forward to reading your blogs along the way...Thanks!

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 2, 2005, 7:02 am
James,

We really appreciate the map discussions. It makes us "Armchair Mets" feel as if a friend is explaining things to us in a laymans terms. Also, there's a reason you guys are locked solidly in the number 1 slot at 5, 6, and 10!! Thanks again!

Mike

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 7:16 am
Hey with the cold coming in Stephanie needs to dance a litter harder, it seems like she might be danceing in ice insted of snow we do not want ice we want snow. Now one thing I have to wonder is with the wind coming from the west and south west aloft like this would this mean not as cold as early thought???

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 7:33 am
Congradulations on those ratings. I live in Georgia and travel throughout the south with my job. You are certainly the best, most informative met on TV that I have seen. You blogs and videos are even better. I have been very impressed with your severe weather coverage this season. You do a great job of keeping folks informed on whats heading into the south weatherwise. Thanks for the time and effort that you put into the service you provide. Seeing what James has to say about the weather is part of my daily ritual.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 7:42 am
Congrats to James and his team for #1 ratings!! You deserve it!! Will keep watching (and reading!!)

I do not dance in ice. sorry. I might fall down and freeze my rear end. So I guess that means we have to work harder for the fluffy white stuff!!

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Posted by Brian  
on December 2, 2005, 7:51 am
We might just have to wait until January for any significant snowfall. Remember, this is Alabama folks, and like James has said many times, significant snows are rare in December here. For that matter, they are rare here period. Having said that, I'd love to see a white Christmas! Could you work on that Stephanie? Thanks.

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Posted by AC  
on December 2, 2005, 8:09 am
Hoping for just rain for now guys...I'm a SAHM and a student and I have finals next week...after that...it can come down all it wants!! I'm all for snow, but I just want it to hold off a bit longer!! I'm wondering if there is a timed release option on this snow dancing..:)!!

AC

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 8:25 am
Yes James, congrats on those ratings. You've got that cutie Maggie on during the day, now if you could just steal Charnel from Fox6, I would have no reason to flip channels. :) :) :)

Stephanie, Im just wonderin' .... are you dancing with a snow suit on, OR A RAIN SUIT??????

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 8:32 am
Way to go James... #1 .. You go Boy .... Way to go abc33/40..... As for the weather... I am not giving up on stephs dancing abilities... Its early in the season, and she is just getting warmed up... anyways.. It might be worth it to see her bust it on the ice in the high heals and red suspenders, with a bowl of chilli.... HAHAH not.. Just kidding... I would hate for you to spill that bowl of chilli..... Did anyone catch my class on 850 mb maps last night?? Hopefilly J.B. or one of the pro's will let me know if I got a passing grade on that one... Well looking into the future..It is getting interesting... we will have to keep happy thoughts and dance for the white stuff.....

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 8:45 am
Hey Rusty please let us know what the 12Z says at midday thanks, and James congrats to you and everyone there at 33/40. Now Stephanie get to dancing you have a lot of work to do.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 8:55 am
I do have one thing to ask what does elevated storms mean????

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:08 am
Mercy Me! In High Heels AND suspenders??? I was gonna leave the suspenders to you men out there, after all, with all that dancin you will be doing, it is extra insurance to hold those drawers on right???

Brian and AC - I am now going to put off hoping the snow will come next week. My sweet husband and me are going to be celebrating our 9 years of being together (married 4 of those 9). I know a lot of you know that the morning after our first date 9 years ago in Dec, it snowed. We had been out looking at Christmas lights the night before - it was a cold night - and we each agreed that it would be really nice if it had snowed. Well - apparently that wish came true, and I truly believe, we knew then that it was meant to be! So, maybe the week after - will that cover your exams AC?? :-) It would be something else for a snowy 9 year anniverary,and of course I will push for a white Christmas!!
POP QUIZ weather buffs.... what was that date again in 1997??



Anyone see on ABC Family or know the story of "The Year Without a Santa Claus??" For those of you who cannot remember, it is about a Santa Claus who decides to retire because no one has the Christmas Spirit. To get to the point, in the show, Mrs Claus makes an agreement with Mother Nature's 2 sons for a White Christmas in the south. So... does anyone have connections to Mrs. Claus and a couple of elves???


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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:11 am
Now for those of you our there who has had questions the past couple of days in regards to the GFS MOS... and why there are discrepencies between the weather channel and Our very own weather teams forcasted temps, well here you go ... Of course we know that the weather channel bases their forcasted temperature on the models, such as the GFS mos..for anyone who wants to see more on this model... Here is a link that could explain it better....

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/mdl/synop/mavcard.htm

Now the GFS mos does take into effect climatology , and doesnt factor in the snow coverage.. Here is a link to the latest snow coverage for North America and Canada....

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/SNOW/DATA/cursnow_usa.gif

Now Our great weather team has the time and ability to take into affect all the variables that could affect our temperature.. As They are always saying... We have a wide range of temperature here in the state... and even in our viewing area... Where it mey be 35 degrees on the ridge tops , you could easily have upper 20 in some of the colder vallies.. We also have a nice little renge of Mountains called the Appalachians that can wedge cold air in here on the back side of a the mountain range.. many times , this will bring much colder air into the northeastern side of the state, where you might have 20's in Gadsden and Anniston , but still having upper 30's in Tuscaloosa.... The big thing is... Dont always go by the information you see on the weather channel... It is good for general climate information, just as is ABc nighly news is for general national news, but who are you going to go to for local information... Thats right ... Abc 33/40..... #1 ........

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:14 am
Hey Stephanie I think that was 97 it was on a Sunday.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:17 am
Steph... 9 years... He must be a lucky man.... I do remember the christmas special, and as for having connctions with mrs clause ....i do have a connection there .... cause as I causght mommy kissing santa clause last year.... I was sneaking off with Mrs clause ...... HAHAHA ...... so Ill put a work in for you ...As for elves?? No connections, but Im sure we can find a coulple of Height challenged people to help.....

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:28 am
thats right, it was on a sunday - in 1997.



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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:36 am
How do you guys all know each other? I visit the blog a good bit too but have no idea who any of you are. LOL

Just curious. Did you all just meet here on the blog or did you go to storm alert extreme?

Anyway, I doubt it will happen but I'd LOVE some of the white stuff!

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 9:58 am
I have no idea who any of these people are. Where did they come from? Where are they going? Why are they trying to get into my head????????

Actually - I only know them by name from the blog.

(this is the closest thing to a chat room I can visit) :) :)

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 10:01 am
Hey Andy the only one I know on this blog that is Stephanie we met a few months ago and she is a cool person. Now the other ones on here well Rusty and John T and Goldwing Dave I fill that I have known them for ever and I have not seen them in person, but I think of them as good friends. Now Stephanie please turn on you phone I left you a message so call me back.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 10:10 am
Hey Michael - battery is dead and the phone is charging. I will call you in a little bit so hold your horses :-)

Andy- the only one I "know" is Michael - he is a great guy! I havent met the othersbut maybe at the next storm alert, they will be able to go. but of course if we get snow, we will also be doing a live shot of high heeled suspender snow dancing at the Galleria and Dave is making the Chili, Goldwing is gonna DJ with James Spann HA HA HA HA HA!!!! You are welcome to join in anytime :-)

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 10:12 am
and i forgot the rest of us, michael, rusty and anyone else who wishes to join, we are going to dance while the snowflakes fall

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Posted by Brent  
on December 2, 2005, 10:45 am
December 14, 1997 was that snow in West Alabama... I remember seeing the radar early that morning.

The only other December events I can remember were December 17, 2000, the morning after the Tuscaloosa F4 tornado and 2 days later along the I-85 corridor.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 10:48 am
Brent- You are correct - that was the snow event that surprised everyone :-)



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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 11:55 am
There should be a blog gathering sometime in the future. I've been reading a while and just started posting recently. It would be interesting to put some faces with some names. Maybe at the same time we can all brush up on our dancing skills! I'm sure Stephanie wouldn't mind heading that up!

I'm amazed at how all you people keep up with dates like that. I have to double check which day my birthday is on each year.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 12:01 pm
Andy, I am just an ordinary , James spann Wanna Be , I live out just a little past J.B and little miss molly... I live in Argo, well actually its in between Argo and Springville. I have only met one of the people on this blog... matthew, and I work with him..He has an amaizing testimony.. I do have hopes of an ABC3340 bloggers party soon so that we can all meet and put faces with the words...We have been trying to get this done through stephanies dancing, but all she can get with her dancing , is Tropical Storms and broken heels. I have never been a chat room kinda person, becasue of all the trash you run into, but in here I have found a group of people with some of the same interests that I have, and a great support group... I am a member of IWIWAM Anonymous...Which means ( I wish I were a Meteorologist) and these guys make me feel right at home... All kidding aside... These are a greate bunch of people who share the same things, and many of the same beliefs.. If you have a prayer request, then you can bring it to us... but we wont condemn anyone fir their beliefs, unless you are getting on James and the Weather Gang about their wall to wall coverage, then we are comming after you ...Just ask wylene and curtis from dora, but I dont think they have come out from under their mobile home yet, and curtis aint had no smokes in about 2 days...... but they have their computer... under the trailor that is.... But even if you have an issue with the way things are done, James and the gang are quick to respond.. They have no problems with giving you an answer to why they do the things they do..... It all boils down to one thing... We are all a great big family here and we are considerate, Kind, and always respectful of one another here... We have had offers to move over into other forums, be we have all decided to stay right here ... and we enjoy it... We may not get as much work done as we need to during the day, but we do have fun....

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 1:12 pm
wow rusty......(sniff sniff......) That was BEAUTIFULLY said!


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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 1:18 pm
Hey Rusty we do have fun don't we??? I want to stay right here as well, I do want to have a bloggers party so I put a face to the other people I talk with on this blog. Stephanie is the only one I have met and if the rest of you are anything like Stephanie than I can't wait to meet everyone.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 1:26 pm
Awwww michael...... (sniff sniff) That was sooooo sweet!!!

Anyone see the latest 12z? Was just wondering if things had changed any towards our favor? I danced all thru the grocery stores - ran out of heels to wear though had to wear my boring loafers, and one of my suspenders snapped off too.

Where is our friend John T????????


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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 1:30 pm
Micheal This is for you ...

currently we are preparing for a fun week of forcasting.
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_006.shtml


this is the current look at the gfs....

Now lets get into this weekend... here is the covective outlook for day two which is sat

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html

And this is the Convective outlook for day three, which is Sunday.

http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day3otlk.html

Now lets look at the Gfs for sat and sunbday... We notivce on sunday a 1004mb low over the panhandle of Texas and we will start having some moisture getting in here by noon. It is fairly dry out there so it may take a while for the moisture to reach the ground... The current conditions here in birmingham right now are Humidity: 25% Wind Speed: ENE 3 MPH Barometer: 30.23 in. Dewpoint: 14°F Heat Index: 48°F Wind Chill: 48°F...So it will take a short time to get the atmosphere moistened up...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_024.shtml


Sat night that low will move off to the east over The Oklahoma and Arkansas Boarder. As the warm front moves north up out of the gulf....

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_048.shtml


By sunday morning that low has moved over to the Virginia area headed NE and with the high over colorado, and the low over the NE , that will force that cold arctic air southward..Remember that the air rotates around a Low counter clockwise , while it circulates around a high clockwise... This will pull that air down across the frozen plains...
Come monday, we have a low forming over n Ga as the 1028 high over texas helps pull down that real cold air up north.... Now we may see some snow flurries in here on the back edge of the moisture wrapping around the low as it moves off on monday evening....
Now we get to the interesting part of the week.....

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_120.shtml


On tuesday , we notice that we are really living in the deep freeze down here and look at the area down in the Southern gulf... As we get into wednesday and thursday , we start moving some of that moisture up and over the low leavel cold air down at the surface, and this could be a set up for some icy conditions around here on Friday...we see that the 540 line is down to around the Birmingham area with some moisture in place... What does that mean...I dont know...im not a Meteorologist, but we sure will see what James has to say about it in about an hour or so.....

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_168.shtml


Well Micheal ..is that what you wanted???



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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 1:36 pm
Ok, I go to work today, finally get on the computer and I have to pull out a box of kleenex. I definately think we all need to get together. I think that we would be a lively group.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:07 pm
I think it would just be funny if we all told what we were supposed to be doing instead of being on here!

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Posted by jeff  
on December 2, 2005, 2:27 pm
I think the couple in Dora has to much hole in their donut. I don't think they are for real. I believe that they truly like to make fun of other people just to see how people are going to respond on the blog. Nobody can be the stupid and ignorant.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:33 pm
Hey Jeff!
We know that they are fictious people. They may have been knocked off the blog, the email address is a bogus one. Do note that they have not responded to comments made about them yet.

Chris... I agree!! I am supposed to be putting away laundry. I am almost finished. Then I have a few more gifts to wrap before my better half gets here. They are for him :-)



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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:39 pm
Ok Rusty I want the cold BUT I DON'T WANT THE ICE I WANT SNOW. And it would be fun to have a bloggers party so let's se if we can pull it off.

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:40 pm
I forgot to post a little tidbit about Epsilon ...

Huricane Epsilon that is...

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-ir4-loop.html



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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:41 pm
Man, you made all that sound scary, Rusty! LOL I'll have to look at those links (when I have more time).

That's cool that you all get along. Rusty, you're actually the only one I've ever had any extra-blog contact with (via email...forgot what about..I think severe storms).

Anyway, we'll see what next week has in store for us!!! Too early to get excited, but who knows?

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 2:59 pm
Andy, yeah, i remember emailing about something, but i dont remember what... Steph .. Go ahead Tell us ... What did you get hubby this year??? I would tell you what I got my wife, but She may jsut look in here and ck up on my behavior...and see what she got... But I will say that I went to that place where we are supposed to our little live shot... I went there on my lunch break and went in at Parisian and it is red and you wear it when it is cold... Too bad she cant get it before next week.... And Fonzie wore one over a white tee shirt... HAHAHAHAHAH ... Im not worried... She doesnt ever come in here .. She makes fun of me though.. She calls me James Jr......... I dont mind that too much..no offense James...

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 3:42 pm
Hey everyone.
OK I am going to get in on the snow dance.. I will do the four wheel snow dance. I am going to challenge Rusty to a wheelchair wheelie contest..
matthew

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 3:47 pm
Matthew ...You have a bet.... Will you bring me one, or do I have to furnish my own??

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 3:57 pm
I may can round you up a chair.. based on your story about when you was a kid. I will have to have sharpen my skills... So.. are we going to get snow anytime soon?

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Posted by  
on December 2, 2005, 4:24 pm
Now matthew.. Its been years, but Im sure I can still hang......

Snow??
Dont know...
Ice
Not nice

As James would say...If it were January , we would be in trouble...

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Posted by John T.  
on December 2, 2005, 6:14 pm
Sorry I'm behind guy & ladys. At home from work now YEA! Thanks for the compliment Michael. I feel the same for all as well. The idea of getting together is great, if at all possible I would like for James and the other weather team guys get with us as well. Andy, I have not had the pleasure of meeting any of these good folks yet either. I live in Hueytown & don't really know who is relatively close. I guess Stephanie in Alabaster. And of course, come late January when they get Storm Alert Storm 2006 going, YES, we all must get together all try to go to the same one. James I hope this is not to scary of a thought for you. All of us crazy IWIWAM (i like that Rusty) in one place cheering you all on. Well anyhoos, BRING ON THE SNOW!

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