Here Comes The Cold Air

The Monday morning map discussion video is on the server:

http://beta.abc3340.com/weather/video.hrb

In our forecast package last week today's forecast was for rain ending along with temperatures falling into the 30s. Quite frankly, that still looks good to me. Rain will slowly move off the the east today as the mercury drops. As of this writing, Birmingham reports 42, while Muscle Shoals and Huntsville are at 36. Look for the cold air to filter in here through the day, and most spots should be in the 30s this afternoon. What a miserable day.

A nice strip of heavy snow will develop today from the northeast corner of Tennessee through Virginia, and on up to Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston. Amounts of 2 to 4 inches are likely in this area, but spots will see 6 to 12 inches. If you are traveling up there, beware!

We will be dry and cold tomorrow and during the day Wednesday. MOS products stink; they are having a hard time handling the shallow cold air. I will use 22 for tomorrow morning, with highs only in the low 40s tomorrow and mid 40s on Wednesday. Those high temperature values might be too warm.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT/THURSDAY: Our forecast dilemma continues. I think there is now no doubt a storm forms in the Gulf of Mexico; the question is what will fall here? As we think this through, we have to remember this is early December, and major winter storms are very rare this time of the year. But, we cannot ignore the strength of the cold air. Lets look at some temperatures at 5:00 a.m.:

Siloam Springs, Arkansas 16
Kirksville, Missouri 8
Brookings, South Dakota -8
Mobridge, South Dakota -17

This is not your typical early December airmass... and you can't ignore those numbers. The cold air will be pretty shallow here... and probably only a few thousand feet thick by Wednesday night and Thursday.

So, what to do? Here is our initial thinking:

*Precipitation begins to overspread the state late Wednesday night, and continue into Thursday. For the I-20 corridor (Birmingham, Tuscaloosa, Anniston) I think the best course for now is to maninly mention a cold rain, possibly mixed with sleet. There is a chance, however, due to evaporational cooling there might be a period of freezing rain with temperatures down in the low 30s late Wednesday night/early Thursday. A little bridge icing is certainly not out of the question.

*A wintry mix is likely along and north of U.S. 278, or north of a line from Hamilton to Cullman to Gadsden. There seems to be a better chance of freezing rain late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning in this part of the state, and accordingly a better chance of bridge icing and some travel problems. I think there is also a chance the precipition could change to snow, probably a brief window, at some point late Thursday or Thursday evening as cold air is pulled in behind the developing low, which should be east of Alabama at that point.

Needless to say, all of this could change. Nailing down the details of an event like this is very hard to do several days in advance.

Friday through the coming weekend should be dry with moderating temperatures.

LONG RANGE: I don't trust the GFS in the short term, and I sure don't trust it in the long term. So... not much confidence here. But, I do think there are signs the cold air builds again and comes at us at times over the latter half of the month. I will write more about this on the afternoon post here and discuss on the afternoon map discussion video.

THIS WEEKEND: Sure seemed like a blur... very busy, as most people are this time of the year. I did enjoy seeing the big crowd down in Clay county at Wellborn Cabinet for their Christmas banquet. It was fun driving through Ashland; everyone was having a big party in the town square following Clay County's victory in the state title game at Legion Field.

TODAY: Will be headed to Vincent Elementary today to see the kids... but I will be back in the office for the next map discussion video which will be posted by 3:30. Have a great day and stay warm!
Posted by AC  
on December 5, 2005, 6:22 am
Hi all...

I am getting a bit concerned about Thursday/Friday as I have things going on that could need to be rescheduled, and I would do that ASAP if I knew what to do!! Some of you really look deep into this, will we have a better idea by tomorrow afternoon/tomorrow night?? I'm not going to hold anything against anyone, just would like all you IWIWAM to take a shot at it!! I do know it's all VOODOO land, but I just would like to see what everyone thinks!!

Thanks all! Have a good Monday...I'm sticking close the the coffee pot at home myself!!

AC

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 6:29 am
I read this blog all the time, and really enjoy everyone's comments. I have had a blast recently reading about the snow dancing. Hey, Stephanie, can you give us the steps for the snow dance? Maybe, if we all participate, it will be snow, and not freezing rain!

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 6:33 am
Hey AC!!!!

I don't know what to tell you to do - that may be a Rusty question - or Dave or Andy or Michael. How far in advance would you have to reschedule? It may be a case where tommorrow would be a better day to accurately predict. I know the limbo you must be in - it can be frustrating :-/

But I can hear it now...... a ruckus in the bread ailse at Bruno's............. LOL


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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 6:36 am
Heather - there is no secret to the snow dance - you just dance to Christmas music. But you do have to wear heels and red suspenders LOL -

Currently I think there is still a sit in. We will need to ask Rusty - he is the one facilitating the Live shot at the Galleria when the first flakes fall, and Dave is the one making the Chili. We will let you know though, I am sure :-)

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Posted by John T.  
on December 5, 2005, 6:42 am
My gut feeling is it will be a cold rain, which I would rather have IF as opposed to freezing rain. Of course I want the Sn** word (trying not to scare it away). Everyone try to have a wonderful day despite it being a raw Monday. BE SAFE. Going back to work...yea.

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 7:10 am
What's the difference between sleet and freezing rain.... or is there a difference?

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 7:29 am
Freezing rain----->>> Bad Stuff....It's rain that falls and freezes on contact of the surface. You ain't seen a mess like a major freezing rain event. It's almost a disaster. Bham had a bad one in 1982. Hope we never see it again.

Sleet---->>>Rain that freezes in the air and drops as ice. Sleet in bham is usually not a big deal kinda fun to watch....

Either way...Noone in here will disagree with me when I say you don't want Freezing rain. Nasty stuff.

I'd be concerned in January about that.
Snow in March.


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Posted by AC  
on December 5, 2005, 7:18 am
Not sure Chris, but I think freezing rain is worse, whatever the difference is!! I know Stephanie, it is frustrating, but that's the way it goes!! I know tomorrow will be a better day to decide!!

AC

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 7:35 am
Thanks! You guys are awesome!

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 7:45 am
I agree freezing rain is NOT COOL. Beautiful to look at, in pictures, but we just don't want it here.

Off to steam clean carpets -I have family coming from out of town for Christmas and there is much to do to prepare!!
Hope everyone stays warm and dry and safe on the roads.

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 7:47 am
Well if I had a choice of what I wanted to see I would take the snow over the sleet and freezing rain. You can get 4 inches of snow and it be a proplem but not that bad now freezing rain you can less than that of snow and man what a mess.

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 8:03 am
chris, here is a link that may help you with your question .. as steamtrain said..Its a difference in temperatures at different levels of the atmosphere..

Sleet:

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/sleet_hyd.rxml?hret=/gui
des/mtr/cld/prcp/zr/fcst/fcst.rxml


Freezing Rain:

http://ww2010.atmos.uiuc.edu/(Gh)/wwhlpr/freeze_hyd.rxml?hret=/gu
ides/mtr/cld/prcp/zr/fcst/fcst.rxml


Hey, AC, Im not sure as to the answer to your question about rescheduling... It is going to be a close call.... I can tell you one thing.. The real Met guys are the ones I would be listening to here... If it is something needing to be reschedueld ... i wouldnt take the words of an IWIWAM member, remember, we are here just having fun...

Stephanie, yes I believe we will continue with the sit in .... With your knees and back still hurting.. We cant take a chance of loosing you for the big game...so we are pulling you from the Game.... Can risk the star player when the game is out of hand... Now be ready, cause it might get close again, and we sould neeed those dancing shoes again... but its ok to sit this one out for now... As for the live shot of the bloggers.. I guess we are just out of luck.. We havnt even got a laugh from the weather boys at the station on that one.....I know one thing..If James, and the rest of the gang doesnt come..then I get his Bowl of Dave's chilli... ANd I know it has to be good..... I like to throw a little cheese and sour cream in with mine... maybe some crackers.... Ummmm Umm ....


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Posted by Jason Leake  
on December 5, 2005, 8:13 am
How much sunshine we get on the day the precip. arrives will factor in. As past times go areas northeast and east will have the WEDGE in their favor for the fun stuff . Lots of snow cover up north and really cold air. Maybe God will give us a early season surprise. Gut feeling says ice in the trees on cars, decks east and northeast of birmingham. Mt. Cheaha will be awesome. I love evaporational cooling!

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 8:37 am
Good raw Monday Morning!!! It is definately going to be an interesting week. Everybody stay safe. Maybe we will have a quite day here at work.

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 9:08 am
Does anyone have an extra pair of red suspenders? I seem to have misplaced mine. :-)

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Posted by Brian  
on December 5, 2005, 10:06 am
Here's hoping for no frozen precip. Thursday. I have day and evening classes to teach Thurs. and we're getting VERY NEAR finals, so missing any classes now would really mess my students up. Sorry. I normally love winter weather, but the timing of this potential event stinks!

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 10:13 am
Sarah- you can have a pair of mine - can we trade for a pair of heels?? Back feels better - knee does too---- the front is coming, once it gets close the pain mysteriously goes away :-)


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Posted by   www
on December 5, 2005, 10:31 am
Ya'll living up north in all that cold stuff have my condolences...it's sunny and cold (42) here in Austin. But then again, anything below 70 is cold to me. Stay warm and safe...

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 10:42 am
Totally, Brian! My students will be in BIG trouble if we miss a day. We (sadly) are doing one of the hardest chapters the week before finals!


Anyway, just looked as GFS. Man, that looks scary to me..especially if the model has no clue about the cold air at the surface. Anyway, as usual, those model runs will change every 6 hours. Still, as of today, as of now...looks interesting!

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 11:02 am
Stephanie

We can absolutely trade for heels! I have plenty!


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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 11:16 am
I heard Rusty had some heels he wanted to trade...
haha


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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 11:16 am
I heard Rusty had some heels he wanted to trade...
haha


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Posted by Brian  
on December 5, 2005, 11:20 am
Hey Andy,
I haven't really ever tried to make sense of the GFS, but I'll certainly take your word for it. Like you said, these situations seem to change frequently. Interesting it will definitely be.
Take care and stay warm.

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 11:37 am

Hey Matthew - I told rusty I would get him some big ole shiny red boots. with sparkles. to go with his suspenders. hahaha :-) - how bout it rusty??

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Posted by  
on December 5, 2005, 2:59 pm
hey stephanie.
I am sure he would love the boots !!
haha


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