First Winter Storm Threat A Week Away??

The Monday morning map discussion video is on the server:

http://beta.abc3340.com/weather/video.hrb

I have mentioned here many times in recent weeks I think we will have one, maybe two, winter storm threats before the month is over. Sure looks like that threat is shaping up in about one week. But first...

MID-WEEK STORM: Following dry weather today and tomorrow, a rain event is shaping up for mid-week. Just for fun, cold air damming will be involved. Let me say up from I don't think at this point temperatures will be cold enough for any ice over northeast Alabama Wednesday night. But, it sure looks like a cold rain up there.

Temperature forecasting will be a nightmare Wednesday and Thursday. The GFS shows a high of 45 for Birmingham on Wednesday. Could be a day on which Tuscaloosa has a high of 51, and Centre has a high of 38.

The rain should end early in the day Thursday.

WEEKEND: A little Gulf system passes south of here on Saturday. For the moment it looks like the bulk of the rain with that feature will stay south of I-20.

WINTER STORM THREAT? Now don't go posting on message boards that James Spann is forecasting snow here in a week. I am just saying there could be a THREAT of snow here. And, maybe a pretty good one. You know the deal, lets get through the mid-week system and then we can focus on the winter storm threat. Like a football coach, I like to take storm systems one at a time.

Here are the players on the field:

*A very cold 1043 mb high over Kansas. The 00Z run of the GFS built the pressure to almost 1050 mb over Wyoming. Frigid Arctic air dives deep into Texas Sunday, and begins to come our way early next week. The idea of highs in the 50s and lows in the 30s here early next week (December 19-20) is laughable. We will probably struggle to climb above freezing by Tuesday December 20.

*A strong short wave aloft will move from the southern plains into the deep south. Some runs close off an upper level low over Alabama and Georgia by Tuesday. Thickness values drop like a rock.

*A surface low will form in the northern Gulf of Mexico, moving northeast to a point near the Georgia coast, and then up the eastern seaboard.

We know the players, but we won't know the game plan just yet. But, there is no doubt this could turn into a major winter storm threat for areas all the way from Texas across the deep south, including Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. This one might even bring the risk of a few snow flakes to the southern tip of Texas; our radio affiliate in McAllen is KVMV-FM; last year they had some snow at Christmas as well.

It will be pretty late in the week before the details will be known.... but we will do out best to keep up with the clues we see in coming days.

This thing could wind up being a little rain, a sharp change to colder temperatures, and a few snow flurries for Alabama. But, on the other hand, it could turn out to be a potent winter storm for us. This pre-Christmas winter storm will be the focus of our discussions here for the rest of the week, needless to say.

LONG RANGE: I think the GFS is horrible in the longer range and is rejected. I still think, generally speaking, temperatures remain below normal for the rest of the month.

The next map discussion video will be posted by 3:30 this afternoon...
Posted by New Mike  
on December 12, 2005, 6:30 am
Whooo Hooo!!! Dance baby Dance!!!

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Posted by John T.  
on December 12, 2005, 6:32 am
Bring 'er' own! Santa needs good weather to land that sled.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 6:34 am
<GIGGLE> Hope it happens :-)

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 7:23 am
Ok people let's not go crazy just yet qhat we need is to have Rusty here to help James keep an eye on this so Rusty are you up to the job???? I think we might see something because my knee was hurting like crazy yesterday and we know what that might mean weather is going to change. So come on Stephanie kick thoes heels up and get the dance started HAHAHAHA.

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Posted by Josh  
on December 12, 2005, 7:38 am
Here is the winter threat because of a low develops just east of the cold air coming south:
Wed night:
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/06/fp0
_192.shtml

12-20-05 Tus afternoon
http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/06/fp0
_204.shtml


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Posted by post  
on December 12, 2005, 9:19 am
Thank you all that post these useful links within your posts. Some of us amatures would not know of this data otherwise.

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Posted by Josh  
on December 12, 2005, 7:42 am
Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 8:03 am
Ok It is party time... Steph, hopefully , you got that knee back in shape, polished up those pumps, and got those suspenders ready to go .... Cause girl , you are front and center.... I will go ahead and get the logistics of our live shot put together... Galleria , in front of Parisian.... Now Dave, get that chilli ready.... Ill bring some hot chocolate.... and I am gettingmy James look put together including some new Leather suspenders.... Michael ... I am ready..... Josh keep the charts comming, and we will get this snow in here ....Now everyone sont forget to put those spoons under the pillows, and flush some ice sown the toilets today.... we cant leave anything to chance.... We are going to wish this thing in here ......

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 8:09 am
J.B. you need to go out and get Miss Molly some little red boots for the live shot... I figure if it gets bad enough, we may need to carpool, we dont live to far apart.... Now "THE BLOGGERS LIVE SHOT " from the galleria... Wow its going to so much fun.....

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 8:16 am
I'll drive from J'ville to be there when we get the logistics finalized. Keep us posted Rusty!

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 8:54 am
Ahhhhhhhhh, here we go!!! Just a glimmer of hope. James was probably sitting in his office this morning going "let the bloggers run wild with this one." Think I will go to walmart and get some milk and bread............and the rest of the stuff on my grocery list (the only thing I don't like about payday).

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 9:05 am
Allright...Powder day at Cloudmont!!!!!

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 9:18 am
OK, I am holding James to this one. He said snow so, I'm expecting snow. Now if it doesnt snow, then I am NEVER paying attention to his forecast again, and I will write nasty emails anytime he interrupts a reality show on tv, because I love them so much that my life is simply not complete without knowing whats going on with those shows.
Forecasts this far in advance should be written in stone, sealed in acrylic, locked in the safe and buried underground, because we know he means every word of a forecast this far in advance. (ok, so its not a forecast, its a possibility - but is more fun to keep rambling, calling it a forecast)
Oh, Heaven help if we DONT get snow, but we DO get our live shot at the Gallaria, I ain't saying nothing but bad stuff about him.


I just thought I would get all of that out of the way, and be the first, before the real critics that don't understand come in and post their thoughts.

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 9:18 am
Oh Dave, you better get to the store to get the Clilli Powder and meat.... Man I cant wait for that Chilli...how was the weekend?? Did you enjoy the family get together... Did you tell your sister, that You are now A BLOGGER with me?? Hows dad??


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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 9:27 am
I just don't think the maps are portraying the picture of snow. It takes a lot to snow here...

1.) Precipitation is well to the east of Alabama. My gut feeling is it will be there but southeast away from us.

2.) It just doesn't snow here in dec. PERIOD!!!!!

It will not happen. GFS has missed the ball on every other event that could have been a threat. I'd like to hear from others who are in agreement with me. No snow till march. Ice in Jan.

Cary

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Posted by Mikey  
on December 12, 2005, 12:29 pm
I agree, Cary. In a day or two the GFS will probably go to all rain (or nothing at all).

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 9:31 am
Oh goldwing... I have taken this info and written it in stone.... We will be there....Now we need Perry, you and JT to start workiing on James and the gang to set that Live shot up.... I mean. hey we may all be out there, eating chilli and doing the dance, but what are we going to do if the famous storm chaser van dont show up?? We will all be so broken hearted... Full of chilli, but broken hearted..... Now I will bring the big greenscreen for us to do the live weather report.... and just in case we dont have snow, the tech guys can digitally give us our snow.... PAAAAAAARTy......

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 10:45 am
Hey Rusty I will be there for the live shot just let me know when to be there.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 10:54 am
WOO HOO!!!!!! Here I am sorry I am late --- now not only do we need Dave's chili, but do you think we can get james to stop off and get us a unch of krispy Kremes?? I think Trisha said she had some BOGO free coupons the other day (hee hee hee- wonder if she'd be willing to share!!) chili and donuts and a big ole party!!! with CHRISTMAS lights!! Got my heels on and suspenders ready- I will even wear my Santa cap for extra special effect!! Just a THREAT of wintery white stuff is enough for me YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 10:55 am
BTW.... where are our other dancers??????

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:11 am
Hey Stephanie what does unch mean???????????? and you are the dancer for this.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:14 am
sorry unch(sic) should have read "bunch"

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:17 am
no i am not the only dancer.... we have a team i believe.... Sarah, AC, Susan, John T, Dave, Chris, Rusty even you Michael ---- I think there is a few others who I may have forgotten......... :-)

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:24 am
Thanks for not including me in the dancers Steph, shows you remember me well.


Rusty, there is a rhyme in there somewhere,
Full of Chili, but broken hearted,
wanted snow, but only ******.

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 12:01 pm
Goldwing, goldwing,
where should we start
I cant believe,
on this blog you said ****

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 5:21 pm
I will join the dance....just don't tell Matt! :)

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:27 am
I'll dance with you! I've been down here four years and I'm starting to really miss snow... which I never thought I'd say, coming from Minnesota. ;)

I don't need a lot... just a couple inches!

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 12:53 pm
I been to minnesota a few times in the winter ice fishing in lakes ida, charley, and lobster. Being from the south I had never seen a "Sun Dog". Maybe JB or James might could explain what the tech stuff of it is....But It was a little odd to see insky for the first time. Kinda scared me. Thought a plane was leaking gas. Neat though driving on the lake....Enjoyed it thoughly.

steamtrain4501

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:31 am
Ok Stephanie point taken I will see if if I can find me a good santa suit and good dance music so we all can dance to it, and we will let goldwing be the sound man so goldwing bring good dance music.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 11:44 am
YAY Bree!! Come on down!!

Goldwing- I knew you didnt want to dance- you get to serve Dave's chili ;-P

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 12, 2005, 12:02 pm
someone dont forget thye gas x for Goldwing... Chilli and Goldwing dont get along....

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 12:04 pm
Yes Steph, I'll bring the Donuts, LOL.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 12:14 pm
All right Trista you bring the donuts and Dave bring the chili and Rusty bring the gas x for goldwing, Now someone needs to bring goldwing a sound board so he can run the music for us.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 12:22 pm
Well....the 12z GFS supresses the moisture well to the south with the PV look more north and an open trough down in our region. Still looks cold, but not as snowy definately. We are talking about the GFS here though.....wouldn't put too much stock into any run beyond 72 hours from it anyway. Plenty of time for things to change with the subtropical jet still active.

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Posted by Jeff  
on December 12, 2005, 1:10 pm
James, here you go hyping up a model fantasy again! You even contradict yourself by saying "I think the GFS is horrible in the longer range and is rejected." However, that is all you live on and most of the time die on!! You used to be a really good one, however I guess the TV corporate world has gotten to you also which is too bad.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 1:20 pm
Jeff,

If you would read the full post, (which you apparently have omitted portions) James is not forecasting a snow event. He is monitoring model TRENDS in the longer range. If it were a forecast, he would be presenting this to the public on TV, which he isn't. If you scroll up beside winter storm threat, you will see where James made himself clear before he even posted on this subject.

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Posted by  
on December 12, 2005, 2:00 pm
All right Stephanie, lets get those dancing shoes ready!!! I am ready for some chili and snow!!! :)

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