Watching The Trio

The Wednesday morning map discussion video is on the server:

http://beta.abc3340.com/weather/video.hrb

If you didn't read our blog posts from yesterday... you can scroll down and see that I have named the three storm systems on the board for the next 7 to 8 days. Al, Bob, and Hope. I like short names that are easy to pronounce. And, understand I like to deal with them one at a time. So, the nit-picking details on Bob and Hope will have to wait, but they are both very challenging systems.

AL: Nice batch of rain shows up early this morning as I write this. This is in association with the upper air part of the storm, positioned well to the north of us. During the day, a surface low will form in the coastal waters south of Louisiana, and should result in an expanding rain shield to the southwest of Alabama, which will move in here later today and tonight.

We still expect a soaking rain tonight with one to two inches likely. Some thunder is also possible mainly over the southern half of Alabama. We also note SPC has defined a slight of severe thunderstorms for the coastal counties/parishes of Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi.

To the northeast, Al will bring some nasty icing tonight to parts of the western Carolinas on up into Pennsylvania.

The rain here will wind down early tomorrow, and Friday should be dry and cool.

BOB: Along comes Bob for the weekend. Another coastal low, but the air will be a little colder this time, setting up a problematic forecast for the northern third of the state. No doubt the deeper moisture will be over south Alabama, but there might be a little "sweet spot" where snow flakes or ice pellets will fall.

We note the 850 mb (5,000 feet) freeze line is near I-20. Surface temperatures will probably be a little above freezing, so if we do see snow flakes or sleet it should not pose any serious problems. The best chance of precipitation from Bob will be mainly Saturday night....

Lets get Al out of the way and we can really focus on Bob tomorrow. But, for the moment I think you almost have to at least mention a wintry mix for areas north of I-20 Saturday night. But, once again, major travel issues are not likely.

A nice shot of cold air rolls in here following Bob for the first part of next week.

HOPE: This is our mid-week storm next week, most likely in the Tuesday/Wednesday time frame. EVERY run of the GFS shows Hope nicely, but they differ in the moisture, strength, and surface reflection. The GFS will flip and flop multiple times, and I see no reason to change the logic of a significant storm in this period for the deep south.

Yes, with the deeper cold air I still think SOME part of the deep south will have the first significant winter storm threat of the season with Hope. I don't know exactly where.... nobody does. But the threat is there, and the system is on the board.

Yesterday's 18Z run of the GFS went nuts with the system with a major surface low and serious snow potential. The latest run (06Z) looks fairly dry. The solution is probably somwhere between.

Bottom line is that a very cold airmass will be in place early next week, and a storm system will be rolling through the southern states. Getting those two elements to dance together nicely has been the age old problem for snow lovers in Alabama, and there is no way to know if it will happen so far in advance. But, I am simply saying the threat is there for now.

I encourage you to scroll down and read my post on "Consensus vs Accuracy" below. This describes how I forecast the weather, and how I try to run my life. Sometimes you have to take a stand.

TODAY: J.B. Elliott is taking the morning off and I will be writing the afternoon forecast package for him today. On a normal weekday, I write the morning package you see over on the seven day forecast page on the ABC 33/40 web site, and J.B. handles the afternoon forecast. Bill Murray covers weekends.

I won't have a "Miss Molly" story... those will return tomorrow!

The blog discussion and map discussion video will be posted on time, by 3:30...
Posted by Anna  
on December 14, 2005, 6:12 am
Watching, waiting and HOPING..;) with everyone else!

Anna

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 6:30 am
Come on Hope!!!

Big bucks, no wammies!!!!

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Posted by Josh  
on December 14, 2005, 7:20 am
Here is the DGEX Precip type for the 19th:
http://wwwt.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/mmb/mmbpll/etapll8day.conus/east.et
a.ptype126.gif

A little light snow for Alabama.
Here is the GFS Precip Type for the same time:
http://wwwt.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/mmb/mmbpll/etapll8day.conus/east.av
n.ptype126.gif


Here is the GFS a little bit earlier For the 17th evening:
http://wwwt.emc.ncep.noaa.gov/mmb/mmbpll/etapll8day.conus/east.av
n.ptype96.gif


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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 8:37 am
Thanks Josh!!

~stephanie -- Operation Keep Hope Alive

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 9:18 am
Ok Stephanie it is your job to keep hope alive everyone is counting on you to keep hope alive don't let us down HAHAHAHA.

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Posted by Brian  
on December 14, 2005, 9:32 am
I really hate to be a wet blanket, but can we hold off on the snow/ice until Wednesday? While I hate to miss out on the fun, we're traveling to see my Dad on Tuesday. So Stephanie dance away, but focus on Wed., not Tues.
Thanks.

Brian

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 9:54 am
OK I will be keeping a close eye on this today , but will be very busy.... I will get back in the swing later this evening... and tomorrow... Keep HOPE alive steph, and I leave John T to make statements for me in my time of absence.... Micheal keep everyone going.. Dave , I need some Chilli....

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 10:00 am
OK I will be keeping a close eye on this today , but will be very busy.... I will get back in the swing later this evening... and tomorrow... Keep HOPE alive steph, and I leave John T to make statements for me in my time of absence.... Micheal keep everyone going.. Dave , I need some Chilli....

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 14, 2005, 11:51 am
Looks like the 12z run takes the moisture too far south for Hope to stay alive around here... Am I reading this right?

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!!

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 12:02 pm
I havnt got a valid 12 z run yet...

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Posted by New mike  
on December 14, 2005, 12:14 pm
Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 1:17 pm
New Mike, hey there is only one problem with what you sent me ....The validity of the day in whihch we are questioning...Look at the bottem left corner of the four pannel you were showing and see the date...this was valid 12/13/2005.....Todays hasnt been updated at that time for that hour.... look at the 156 hr ....It has 12132005 in the bottem left corner... This is yesterdays 12z for 156 hours.....

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Posted by Greg  
on December 14, 2005, 12:21 pm
No snow! Oh well

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 14, 2005, 12:24 pm
Remember, this is just ONE run...

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 12:37 pm
Hey Greg have a little hope man Rusty where are you it is 12Z time.

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 12:47 pm
rusty is busy today, will be back in the evening.

keeping hope alive and fingers crossed

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 12:57 pm
Oh I foregot Stephanie that Rusty was busy today well I am keeping hope alive B/C we need some time off.

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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 1:09 pm
Just curious. When I hear mets talking about a possible winter threat for the "deep South" where does the deep south actually begin. My guess FWIW is Memphis to Chattanooga to Charlotte to the Atlantic coast and south. I guess Florida is the deep deep South. Any other guesses?

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Posted by Jason  
on December 14, 2005, 1:13 pm
Ben, that sounds pretty good.

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 14, 2005, 1:29 pm
Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 1:35 pm
New mike...Look at the MSLP 1000 - 500mb hour: 156..... and you will see in the lower left corner...what date.... YOu may be right ... but that is the way I see it....

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 14, 2005, 1:31 pm
I have a short time here... so here we go ....

New Mike posted a 4 panel tht is actually not valid... I believe I am right here....You have to ck the bottom left corner of the pannel to make sure that it is valid for the day you are looking at.... Now the one he posted does go out to 150 hrs , but when it goes to 156 hours , it is showing yesterdays 12z run..... so here is the most valid 12 z 150 hr forcast out there ...

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/gfs/12/fp0
_150.shtml


Now .. we can see plenty of moisture building in the gulf and we can see plenty of cold air building from the north...Now what I want to wee is the 156 hr 12 z run for the 14th.... Then we will know something.... Please James , someone..correct me if I am wrong..... doesnt that date in the lower left corner matter...



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Posted by  
on December 14, 2005, 2:13 pm
Hey Rusty I think you are right if the date is yesterdays date than it is no use to us we need the current one.

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