Big Time Ice Storm To The Northeast

The Thursday morning map discussion video is on the server:

http://beta.abc3340.com/weather/video.hrb

Al (we named these storms several days ago... scroll down to Tuesday morning's post) will be long remembered for our friends northeast of here... as a major ice storm. This thing looks really bad. One of our radio affiliates is in Lynchburg, VA... I just checked their observation, and it shows 25 with a soaking rain falling. This will bring down thousands and thousands of trees, and power outages will be widespread from north Georgia all the way up to Pennsylvania.

Atlanta has been hovering around 32 during the night... seems like the roads are mostly wet in the city, although GA 400 has some ice on the approach to I-285.

Here in Alabama... there has been some icing up on Lookout Mountain around Mentone. See J.B.'s report below this one. The wedge almost got us... it was a very close call for northeast Alabama.

J.B. will run down rain totals here as the day rolls on... at my place in northern Shelby county the storm total as of 6:00 a.m. is 0.84".

The rain will continue to exit the state this morning, and tomorrow will be brigher day with temperatures moving up into the low 50s by afternoon.

BOB: Tricky little system coming in here over the weekend. The GFS suggests a cold rain for the southern two-thirds of the state, with little chance of any wintry precipitation. But, the GFS has been rotten in thermal fields all month; you have to use it with caution. The GFS had no clue... and I mean no clue... several days ago over this ice storm northeast of here today.

The NAM... does come in a little colder and has the precipitation shield up into Tennessee. If you believe this model, there indeed could be a wintry mix Saturday night over north Alabama, mainly north of U.S. 278 (north of a line from Hamilton to Cullman to Gadsden). The freeze line at 850 is at Birmingham, but many of the other critical partial thickness values are closer to Huntsville.

We won't change much in the forecast for now; we will mention a cold rain for most of the state, with that chance of sleet or snow involved north of U.S. 278 for Saturday night. Most of the precipitation will come from about 4:00 p.m. Saturday through 6:00 a.m. Sunday. Surface temperatures should remain a little above freezing over north Alabama, so at this point major travel problems are not expected.

Of course, we will fine tune this forecast in coming days.

HOPE: The final storm of the trio comes in here toward the middle of next week... perhaps Tuesday night or Wednesday. The GFS shows a very dynamic upper system, but we think the surface features are displaced too far to the south and east.

Based on teleconnections, and the pattern that is spinning up these Gulf storms, it makes more sense for the main surface low to be much closer to the coast than what you see on the GFS. And, if this thinking is correct, there will be a winter storm threat for SOME part of the deep south, or southeast U.S. toward the middle of next week. Once again, I don't know exactly where. We have to get Al and Bob out of here and then we can focus on the details of Hope.

Next week looks cold. The GFS MOS temperatures are laughable.

BEYOND HOPE: I think temperatures will moderate here after Hope... that is the last storm in the series. The westerlies move north, and temperatures will moderate for a while around Christmas, continuing into the following week.

J.B. will keep a running dairy of events up to the northeast today... I will have the next map discussion video posted to the server by 3:30 this afternoon. One thing is for sure... no dull days around here for the next week!
Posted by New Mike  
on December 15, 2005, 6:35 am
What is Teleconnections?

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 7:22 am
Just back in from taking my son to school here in alabaster ------ very cold, steady rain, very messy on the roads!! Be careful out there!!!

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 7:33 am
I know one thing I do not want it warm for Christmas. I know no one is saying it will be but with the pattern warming a bit you have to wonder what will happen.

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 7:33 am
Temperature rose at my house in Jacksonville last night from 40 at bedtime to 42 this morning at 6am. Still a light steady rain here.

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 15, 2005, 9:04 am
New mike , here is some great info on teleconnections.....

The term "teleconnection pattern" refers to a recurring and persistent, large-scale pattern of pressure and circulation anomalies that spans vast geographical areas. Teleconnection patterns are also referred to as preferred modes of low-frequency (or long time scale) variability. Although these patterns typically last for several weeks to several months, they can sometimes be prominent for several consecutive years, thus reflecting an important part of both the interannual and interdecadal variability of the atmospheric circulation. Many of the teleconnection patterns are also planetary-scale in nature, and span entire ocean basins and continents. For example, some patterns span the entire North Pacific basin, while others extend from eastern North America to central Europe. Still others cover nearly all of Eurasia.

Here are some sites you can look at

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/ucar25/forecasts.html

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/data/teledoc/teleintro.shtml

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 10:11 am
Hey Rusty what do you think about the CPC outlook???

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 15, 2005, 10:16 am
Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 10:29 am
Hey Rusty look at the post James made at 8:35 and it will download.

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Posted by Greg  
on December 15, 2005, 11:33 am
Guess, What??? The 12z doesnt even have precip in the southeast on Tuesday. ANOTHER BLOWN FORCAST> This is getting a little old dont you think?

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Posted by Margie Richardson  
on December 15, 2005, 11:39 am
I HATE THE GFS ;)

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 11:42 am
LOL Margie!! BTW.. how do you get your smiley faces on there???

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Posted by Margie Richardson  
on December 15, 2005, 11:49 am
Just do : ) or ; ) but dont space between :) ;)

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Posted by BlogFan  
on December 15, 2005, 11:43 am
I think jumping all over a single model run and screaming bust is getting old... Don't you???

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 11:49 am
Hey Blog fan you are right I don't think we need to jump up and down and get about one model run. And Greg I don't recall anyone saying it was going to snow Tuesday night/ Wednesday they ony said it MIGHT. And James said it MIGHT snow somewhere in the deep south It is not a forecast yet.

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Posted by Margie Richardson  
on December 15, 2005, 11:51 am
Not jumping up and down...just dancing :) Looks alot like jumping up and down..HAHAHAHHA

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 11:53 am
Hey:) Rusty it time for the new 12z Run;)?

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 11:56 am
Hey:)Margie thanks for telling us how to do that;)

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 11:58 am
Hey:)Stephanie I got the faces on here it is fun:)!

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Posted by Greg  
on December 15, 2005, 12:03 pm
In case you have not looked. Why dont you pop on over to spann's 7 day planner and look what is says for Tuesday. Look, if he thinks its only a SMALL chance, then he does not need to put it on his seven day. Many CEO's and department heads read that, and in my meeting this morning, it was mentioned that James Spann said it might snow Tuesday. ITS NOT EVEN GOING TO SNOW IN ALABAMA, if its not going to snow in the state, then he does not need to have it in his seven day. GET OVER IT!

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Posted by BlogFan  
on December 15, 2005, 12:16 pm
Greg, May I suggest you put an application in at ABC33/40 as Chief Met since Alabama's weather is so obvious to you.

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 15, 2005, 12:19 pm
Hey, I popped over to the forcast and guess what I found...

Tuesday- Increasing clouds. A chance of rain OR snow Tuesday night.


Wednesday- Cold with a chance of rain OR snow.

HUGE 2 letter word there... (or);)

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Posted by Greg  
on December 15, 2005, 12:23 pm
I dont have a degree in meteorology. Why would I do that. I just enjoy studing models and get frustrated when snow is forcasted and it isnt even close. Hey, by the way, a competitor just said we may get 1 or 2 flurries on Tuesday, but thats all. I am just chanellenging that they will be more accurate..> WE WILL SEE>>>

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 15, 2005, 12:23 pm
Greg, Post your site for the 12zrun....:-).

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 15, 2005, 12:25 pm
Michael , Ill get to it in a bit... Trying to get all the info... not jumping to conclusions:)...

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Posted by Greg  
on December 15, 2005, 12:25 pm
So, your telling me Spann takes chances by saying it could rain or snow, or who knows what else. Looks like he cant go wrong can he. Not many other options than rain or snow, other than sunny... which I believe is the most likely forcast. As I said, well see. Ill check back in on Tuesday to either post some comments or see me get nailed. THis is all in good fun by the way>

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Posted by rusty Pitts  
on December 15, 2005, 12:26 pm
smiley faces everywhere....


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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 12:30 pm
Hey Greg how can you so sure it won't):? hey it just might);;;;;; And Margie how do you get other faces on here):::::???? Like the Questen marks and the other stuff);;;;;;;;;????

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 12:31 pm
hey Greg how can you be so sure it won't);??Hey it just might):

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 12:35 pm
Hey:)Stephanie have you got the faces on yet<img src=" />))

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Posted by New Mike  
on December 15, 2005, 12:35 pm
I know it's all fun.. :) Just remember that technically Tuesday goes all the way to 11:59:59 pm... LOL!!!

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 12:45 pm
New Mike that is what I say::::::::) and Greg I know it is all in good fun::::::)

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 12:57 pm
Thanks Margie :) for the :)

I love all this talk about the snow, and choose to ignore the expert who so negatively love to point fingers....... :P

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 1:03 pm
Hey:)Stephanie did you see the one I got to move;;;;;;;;)??

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Posted by Margie Richardson  
on December 15, 2005, 1:07 pm
U R ALL WELCOME :)

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Posted by  
on December 15, 2005, 1:16 pm
Thanks:)Margie;;;:::)

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Posted by atwell  
on December 15, 2005, 6:14 pm