Scrap Tornado Sirens?

I think it is time to scrap outdoor warning sirens.

Sure, they do have some value, but do we need to spend any more money on these things? Seems to be many Alabamians still believe you should hear a siren in your home before every tornado. I noticed many people in the areas hit so hard by severe weather this past weekend commenting about “not hearing any sirens” before the tornadoes touched down. The truth is that these sirens are meant to warn people outside, NOT inside a home. Even if some communities put them up for that purpose, a large percentage of the population simply cannot hear sirens in their home during active weather.

The sirens need to go away, and any money should be poured into getting a NOAA Weather Radio receiver in every home. That is the best way to get a warning when you are indoors. And, unfortunately, a small percentage of Alabama homes have one. I have great fear the “siren mentality” has killed people over the years, and will continue to do so in coming years unless we do something. And there are many times I wonder if the right thing is to pull all of them down and put them to permanent rest. Outdoor sirens were born during the cold war days, and were intended for use in the event of an enemy attack on the U.S.

If you are reading this, more than likely you understand the issue and have a NOAA Weather Radio receiver, E-Warn on your cell phone, or some other way of getting the warnings. The problem involves people who really aren’t “weather aware”, and don’t really care about severe weather warnings. It usually takes a tornado tragedy to get those kind of people to begin paying attention.

We are looking at the possibility of a severe weather outbreak across much of Alabama tomorrow night; perhaps late at night. Let’s hope everyone is paying attention, and not waiting on a siren blast.
Posted by Austin  
on April 5, 2006, 9:07 pm
hmm, a late night severe weather event on friday...I look forward to reading how many cups of coffee JB Elliot guzzles!

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Posted by   www
on April 5, 2006, 9:16 pm
I agree, James, in principal, but any way people can get warnings is a plus to me. I do wish everyone had Ewarn on their cell phones...that's an awesome free service...

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Posted by Josh  
on April 5, 2006, 9:19 pm
WOW latest Craven Brooks SigSvr = 60000+ Thurs evening and the GFS show the very heavy area of storms over that area. I think that a lot of Mississippi and the NW half of Alabama will be under a Modarate risk area for severe thunderstorms tommowrow, for Friday afternoon thru Friday night. *Everybody need to pay close attention to this.

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Posted by   www
on April 5, 2006, 9:23 pm
I believe that the Outdoor Warning Sirens need to be kept! I know that they are used for outdoors only. But as you said James a lot of people just dont care b/c they think it "can't" happen to them but a few of those people stay outdoors to grill out, play football ect. I also agree with u James on the NOAA Weather Radio that everybody should have one, I do! But...there are a lot of people that do not have them and I totally agree with Mike on the fact that anyway that people can get warnings even if they are through the sirens are a plus.

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Posted by John T.  
on April 5, 2006, 9:24 pm
James , IF the money from the sirens could go into getting everyone a NOAA wx radio then I totally agree with you, being that ALL Alabamians can get a radio signal . Once again , I have a SAME wx radio and absolutely love it . It has amazed me that some people have stated that they are too much , OK , if $40 - 50 is too much when, with a regular wx radio you are going to hear EVERY alert that goes out in that agencies CWA , when there is no need in that now or spending the money on something thats not even worth the while in the long run . Just hope eveyone gets a wx radio before it is to late .... Putting off what could save your life ! Think about it , common since once again .

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Posted by John T.  
on April 5, 2006, 9:28 pm
Also , just a reminder that Saturday it will be 8 years to the day of the BIG F5 tornado for the B'ham. area . Coincidence , ironic , or just really weird that Friday could be another big day perhaps . Ya never know .

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Posted by  
on April 5, 2006, 9:31 pm
Yeah, I don't think I've EVER heard the siren before I already know what's going on. And I can remember at LEAST 2 times when the sirens went off AFTER the weather had already passed through. I used to volunteer at the weather service in Shelby County and we would have to read the warnings ourselves on the air after they had already arrived on TV screens all over Birmingham. This delay made the sirens slightly more useful I suppose. However, now that it is automatic via that horrible (but much more efficient) computer voice, the warnings hit the radio receivers much more quickly. Basically, people should treat having a NOAA radio like having a smoke detector.



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Posted by  
on April 5, 2006, 9:32 pm
CHECK OUT THE JACKSON NWS DISCUSSION. THEIR THINKING IS FRIDAY COULD BE DANGEROUS. ALL THE RIGHT INGREDIENTS ARE COMING TOGETHER.....OF COURSE OUR LAST FEW EVENTS HAVED FIZZLED....BUT TEMPS AND DEW POINTS AND SHEER WILL BE IN PLACE.....MAY NOT BE AS LUCKY THIS TIME.

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Posted by  
on April 5, 2006, 9:35 pm
I think too much of the taxpayer's money has been wasted on the sirens. I cant hear them at work, in my automobile and most important at home. Ive had a weather radio since '76. Take responsibility for your safety buy a weather radio and a smoke alarm.

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Posted by John T.  
on April 5, 2006, 9:38 pm
Think about this then . What if a paticular outdoor siren has a malfunction in it at the time it is need the most and people in that area are depending strickly on that siren when if they know that siren has been taken down and they HAVE TO rely on their weather radio which will be there in working order as long as it is kept up by that individual . Its almost a no brainer . We as an individual have to be severe wx ready and not rely on our county to make us that way .

Also , I love the idea of the reverse E-911 deal for severe wx also IF it works as well as it sounds .

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Posted by  
on April 5, 2006, 9:39 pm
SPC DAY 3....CHECK OUT MIDDLE OF PARAGRAPH:

MID/LOWER MS VALLEY...TN VALLEY...OH VALLEY...
SEVERE WEATHER COULD OCCUR ACROSS A LARGE REGION OF THE MID-SOUTH ON
FRIDAY AS A BELT OF STRONG MID LEVEL FLOW WITH EJECTING SHORT WAVE
TROUGH AND ASSOCIATED SURFACE LOW MOVE EAST. LATEST GUIDANCE APPEARS
TO SUGGEST THAT RELATIVELY STRONG ELEVATED MIXED LAYER ORIGINATING
ACROSS THE PLAINS THROUGH DAY 2 WILL SPREAD EAST ACROSS THE MS/TN
VALLEY WITH CAPPING ACROSS THESE AREAS LIKELY TO KEEP CONVECTION
LIMITED UNTIL STRONGER FORCING ARRIVES DURING THE PERIOD OF
INCREASING DIURNAL DESTABILIZATION. COMBINATION OF MODEST
INSTABILITY...A NUMBER OF FOCUSING MECHANISMS INCLUDING SURFACE LOW
AND FRONTAL ZONE MOVING INTO THE REGION...AND POTENTIALLY VERY
STRONG SHEAR ALL POINT TOWARD A DEVELOPING...AND POSSIBLY
SUBSTANTIAL...SEVERE WEATHER RISK WITHIN THE SLGT RISK AREA. FAST
UNIDIRECTIONAL DEEP LAYER FLOW COULD RESULT IN FAST MOVING BANDS OR
LINES OF STORMS/SUPERCELLS PRODUCING HAIL...DAMAGING WINDS...AND
PERHAPS A FEW TORNADOES.


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Posted by   www
on April 5, 2006, 10:56 pm
While weather radio is the obvious answer for the great majority of Alabamians, That is not necessarily the case for everyone. Not all can depend on assured reception of noaa radio.The following link is a graphic of noaa radio coverage in Alabama. Reception in a significant portion of the state is noted as:
"picking up a signal is possible but unreliable."

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/nwr/states/alabama.html

I agree that sirens are of very limited effectivness. Stations should be expanded, upgraded, or other notification systems should be explored in addition to weather radio.

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Posted by   www
on April 5, 2006, 11:07 pm
That should read:
NOAA RADIO stations should be expanded, upgraded...

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Posted by Josh  
on April 5, 2006, 11:25 pm
Most people are just not eduicated on how to get good weather information in needed times or just don't care or think it won't happen to them. I think every buisness,home, and school needs to have a weather radio. Every second counts in a tornado warning. Most tornado warnings have about a 15 min time frame and slow delay in information such as (people calling people ect.) can turn out to be deadly. If you have a weather radio you get the warning directly from the NWS in seconds which can and will save lives.

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Posted by   www
on April 6, 2006, 12:12 am
Everyone needs a noaa radio receiver. Unfortunately, for lots of folks, it is not the unfailing voice that's always there when the weather gets ugly. If you happen to live in one of the green shaded areas of that map, chances are that you will get the warning...then again, you might not. I do live in one of those areas. I've owned a weather radio for longer than I can remember. But I do not put all my trust in it. It would be nice if all the money that has gone into sirens had been used to improve noaa radio coverage to the point that the green disappeared from that map.

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Posted by   www
on April 6, 2006, 5:13 am
I think the sirens need to be kept.

A lot of coaches during ball season do not have their phones on for ewarn, and otherwise, have no clue what may be headed their way.

Alabaster was going to have a phone warning system put into place to send out warnings, but we haven't seen it yet. Anyone one know what is up with that?

I have ewarn on my cell, and it is just wonderful!!

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Posted by Chris M.  
on April 6, 2006, 5:56 am
I personally feel the weather sirens are a tool and they, by themselves, should not be relied upon alone. But if one person is able to hear it and it saves a life isn't it worth it? Most of us that read these posts are weatherwise and do have other sources for receiving sever weather threats. There are many people who still don't have a smoke detector in their home! That message is still getting out after all these years. Remember, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 6:05 am
I live next to a school that has a siren in the school yard. I don't have no problem hearing the siren in the my house! Anyway, when that tornado siren goes off, it drives my dog and cat crazy! But I know I should still get a weather radio, and I will very soon.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 6:22 am
I believe NOAA Weather Radio is a better warning tool, but sirens have their place as well. Besides, they are much to politicized to be going anywhere anyway. Most everyone who posts on this board, knows they are for outdoor warnings only. In reality if someone doesn't hear a siren, or if a siren in a paticular area does not work during a severe weather event, there would and is a major outcry. I personally don't believe outdoor warning sirens are going anywhere, but a better education campaign needs to be pushed to give the true purpose of outdoor warning sirens.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 6:53 am
I too believe they need to be kept. Several years ago (before the weather blogs) it was a very pleasant day. I was outside brushing the dogs, then out of nowhere the sirens went off. I was thinking "what the 'heck'?????" and went inside to check the TV. Yep, tornado warning in west Jefferson county headed our way.
So, keep them until everyone has an alternative method to hear the warning. When I was outside of my home, I would have never heard the weather radio and I didn't have my cellphone on my side.

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Posted by chloe  
on April 6, 2006, 8:53 am
I think the sirens should be continued. Goldwingdave gave a perfect example of someone who has a weather radio and a cellphone, and yet it was the siren which alerted him to a tornado warning.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 8:59 am
I too, believe the sirens need to be kept. I live in an area that the WX radios do not work, and neither do we get cell service out here. I live in a small town, and every time the weather moves in, the siren does go off, and it has even woke me from the bed. I know it is for people outdoors, but for people like me, it is a life saver. Especially, as my county tends to get overlooked when the severe weather makes an entrance. The sirens almost always go off before I hear about it from James. Not a criticism, just we are a rural area. Also, how many times have the good people on this blog complained about all the warnings coming across and then turned OFF their radios????Just because every house one day MAY have a WX radio, doesn't mean that every house WILL use it. Just like smoke detectors, most houses have them, how many times have the batteries died and gone and not been replaced? God Bless everyone tomorrow.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 9:11 am
Interestingly, this editorial written by the Shelby County Reporter pertaining to the tornado sirens was in yesterday's paper:

http://www.shelbycountyreporter.com/articles/2006/04/05/opinion/o
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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 9:46 am
Believe it or not, everyone doesn't have a cell phone for e-warn. Also the NOAA radio I had would go off if there was a storm three counties to the north. I don't know if all NOAA radio are this way, but try getting some sleep with that blaring. I think people depend on these sirens to wake them up late at night. Maybe they shouldn't, but they do. With all this technology, the best way to know what the weather is doing is still to look and listen outside.

I thing weather forcasting is like the story with the Native American with his ear on the ground:

Native American on the ground: Ten Horses, Two Wagons, Five people.

Cowboy: You can hear that with your ear to the ground?

Native American: No! Just ran over me!

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Posted by weatherwatcher  
on April 6, 2006, 10:23 am
I am amazed more poeple don't add storm shelters to their new construction or existing homes. Too bad builders don't hop on board and make it an affordable option. People have no problem adding a hot tub, kids playset or pool, but won't spend extra to protect themselves.

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 10:42 am
I would like to have one of the old sirens if you know someone who wants discard one.....Contact me by e-mail.


Thanks,

Cary

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Posted by  
on April 6, 2006, 10:52 am
I have two young boys and a wife. I think about it often that if were not prepared how would I feel if something happend.

I have taken spotter classes and have a NOAA radio. I check the NOAA website often.

I also downloaded plans for a lean to style storm shelter for my basement.

What do you people think of organizing neighbor hood watches for weather?

If not everyone can afford a radio which I understand is it possible to set-up a call network or a watchdog committee.

Significant and catrostrophic weather has occured around here and being prepared is the key.

I just think that any avenue to reach people should be used.

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